But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. I have a .356 Win. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. You bet they worked! They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. In the years since, the .35 Rem. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. was simply a .308 Win. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. Of them all the one I still have is the 9,3X62. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. [1] Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. Mag. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Thats a question I just dont understand. I'd go with the 35 whelen. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. For this reason, anyone acquiring a .358 Norma should start low with every load and work up slowly and carefully. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? I have no experience with the Norma mag. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. Rifle Recoil Table. Mag. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. of energy at the muzzle. of muzzle energy. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. Also as I have a lot of 357 pistol bullets I was figuring on being able to use them as reduced loads/smaller game options in either big 35 cal should I go that route. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. Ive obviously left the door wide open. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. The .300 Rem. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. plowed fresh ground. It will kill farther than that, of course, but that is its optimum range. and the .32 Win. There are several reasons. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. . It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. You can start with the 6.5mms. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. i have a 35 whelen and love it. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. Maybe it's a regular BDL? In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. As Ive said, I like mediums, such as the unpopular 8mm Remington Magnum and the faster .33s. It was an 03 Springfield action, unknown barrel, very nice piece of wood, all the fancy metal work done (custom trigger, side safety ala Rem 700, cocking knob and safety removed, milled floorplate, forged bolt, speedloader slots removed, D&T'd ,polished and blued). Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. necked up to .35 caliber. [/quote]. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. The .35 Rem. 10 GA. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. All rights reserved. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. bruce. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. to achieve its potential. My vote is for the .35 Whelen. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. Mag. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." I believe it never will. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. The .358 Norma Mag. Released in 1908, the .350 Rigby Magnum is an entirely original design, with no parent cartridge. Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. The .358 Win. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. Here in North America big game starts with deer. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Cartridges that in many cases cannot match the killing power, at normal hunting ranges, of comparable .35's. Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). Mag. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. The writings of Robert Ruark certainly helped the reputation of the cartridge and the company, as Ruark put his young PH Harry Selby and the .416 Rigby rifle he carried on a pedestal. It put an exclamation point on that lung shot. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. Mag. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Bottles & 12-oz. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma].

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