Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. Why? Or did they? How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. She was wrongfully convicted.. Amina two bullets in the heart.". Stable situation. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. How so? Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. She took out the woman who replaced her. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Emailus. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. She had money put aside. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. She also will never get to see them get married. She definitely did it. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. What a lame article. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. Mr Steve J They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. 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Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Thank you Kerry. No explanation given. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Justice is about uncovering the truth. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. And she called 911. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. Puny policy. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Beautifully said Cliff! ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. Had there been a switch? Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Have you read the book? Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. Highly charged case. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? This woman killed and is where she belongs! But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Especially mice! Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Great catch. Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. You people are fighting a losing cause! PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. I dont think so. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. But none of those charges ever stuck. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. And its been bad. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Hoist by my own petard! It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. Dance defense. Although I would have liked it to be death! And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. Weak wages. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Yeah, no. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. The first rule of a murder is motive. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 You seem to have a fragile ego. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? What evidence is there she actually left the state? There are innocent people in prison. Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. You are absolutely right. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Locked up. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Im dying. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Its barely visible in the picture. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Conflicting versions. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. According to Kohlhepp, the RTPD obtained Patricia Koptas DNA sample, then obtained one from her sister and a nephew. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Shes being well taken care of.. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Patricia But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event.

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